JagdTiger armor

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    • #4782
      Damian
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      None of the allied gun can penetrate it frontally even with APCR from close-mid range.

      Unit is simply broken because of it. If someone tries to say “flank it”, it’s the same as saying, hopefully jagdtiger player is mentally sick and does not support it with AT troops or mindlessly rush it the Jagdtiger to our base.

      Jagdtiger put on the frontline with other troops is simply unkillable and it’s gamebreaking. Not to say it one-shots allied heavies like Pershing.

      Perfect gun, perfect armor and it’s only weakness can be overcome with positioning at the beginner level of the game.

      You can use realism as an argument here, but then make Jagdtiger self destroy after 10 minutes, cause crew had to abandon it, because it’s engine broke completly. -_-‘

      • This topic was modified 7 years, 2 months ago by Damian.
    • #4784
      sean
      Participant

      With all Due Respect Jagdtiger is in a unfinished Doctrine ATM U can Take it out Quite Easy with Airstrikes Artillery or using smoke to Flank it, or Paratroopers It is in many ways not Game breaking,

      If you Feel it is i Personally can show you it is not With sincere Regards

      FSJ Sean

    • #4785
      Damian
      Participant

      So having tank that can penetrate other tanks from long range and other tanks cannot do the same to jagdtiger even from close range is OK to you? Seems legit.

      With all due respect Jagdtiger has the same issue as KT, where KT can be penetrated with HVAP, while Jagdtiger can just tell you to go fuck yourself.

      Jagdtiger cannot be taken out easily without using arty. Arty is supposed to be nerfed and some doctrines don’t even have access to it really.

      Gameplay wise it’s bad

      Realism wise it’s also bad, cause Jagdtiger frontal effective armor was 224 on the frontal plate (and this is where it would be aimed at).
      HVAP should easily penetrate it from close-mid range.

      Having a tank that other tanks can’t fight back is bad, no matter how you look at it.

      • This reply was modified 7 years, 2 months ago by Damian.
      • This reply was modified 7 years, 2 months ago by Damian.
    • #4788
      MeatShieldNZ
      Keymaster

      Ok here are the stats:

      JT Relative Armor Maximum 258mm. Minimum 155mm

      Pershing 90mm firing HVAP has the following penetration stats Close 261mm Mid 243mm Far 220mm

      So at Close range you should always pen. Mid and Far you should still also have a chance.

      Part of the problem is knowing exactly when you are at close range, but we cant exactly put this in the game visually, you just have to estimate the nearest third from max range.

      We will do some internal testing to make sure there isn’t a bad value somewhere but this is the first complaint we have had for this particular unit.

      Also remember that AT guns and handheld AT have a chance to get a critical even on deflection (non penetration). So if you can get enough of them you have a really good chance to damage tracks or transmission causing the JT to become much more vulnerable.

      Thanks for the post.

    • #4792
      mongalong247
      Moderator

      Moved to bugs forum – did some testing and M36 Jackson penetrates at all ranges with HVAP.  M26 Pershing will not penetrate even at point blank range with HVAP.

    • #4856
      mongalong247
      Moderator

      Bug fixed. Marked as resolved and closed.

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